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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOAN!  I hope you read this, just like I hope every person who EVER supports the Pearls.  As  parent who raised two sons in a loving, Christian environment, if you are that far out in left field to think the Pearls are ANYTHING BUT EVIL?  Hitting is spanking, spanking is hitting.  You can use any term, paddling, whipping, caning, any way you look, at it, Joan, if you hit you are NOT doing God&#039;s plan at all!  Nothing in the new testament EVER says anything about hitting children.  The old testament was about Kings such as David and Soloment, and laws MEN created for the times.  Did you also know that &quot;spare the rod, spoil the child&quot; was written by a man, by a Poet?  And HE was referring to the rod of a sheppard, not children!  It is amazing how the Pearls, and anyone else that believes the garbage coming out of their mouth, can so misinterpret, and hence miscommunicate the bible to justify their OWN meaning, their OWN interpretation.  Joan, what on earth makes them right, and all the wonderful Christian ministers, men of the cloth, and people wrong?  Sorry, but I would urge you that if you strike your own children, get some serious counseling.  In the end, those of you that think hitting a helpless innocent child, or a teenager trying to deal with enough growing up issues, you are heading down the path of error.  I can see you then trying to explain yourself come judgement day to God while he looks down at you and asks why?  WHY did you hit My children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOAN!  I hope you read this, just like I hope every person who EVER supports the Pearls.  As  parent who raised two sons in a loving, Christian environment, if you are that far out in left field to think the Pearls are ANYTHING BUT EVIL?  Hitting is spanking, spanking is hitting.  You can use any term, paddling, whipping, caning, any way you look, at it, Joan, if you hit you are NOT doing God&#8217;s plan at all!  Nothing in the new testament EVER says anything about hitting children.  The old testament was about Kings such as David and Soloment, and laws MEN created for the times.  Did you also know that &#8220;spare the rod, spoil the child&#8221; was written by a man, by a Poet?  And HE was referring to the rod of a sheppard, not children!  It is amazing how the Pearls, and anyone else that believes the garbage coming out of their mouth, can so misinterpret, and hence miscommunicate the bible to justify their OWN meaning, their OWN interpretation.  Joan, what on earth makes them right, and all the wonderful Christian ministers, men of the cloth, and people wrong?  Sorry, but I would urge you that if you strike your own children, get some serious counseling.  In the end, those of you that think hitting a helpless innocent child, or a teenager trying to deal with enough growing up issues, you are heading down the path of error.  I can see you then trying to explain yourself come judgement day to God while he looks down at you and asks why?  WHY did you hit My children?</p>
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		<title>By: L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, spanking is completely ineffective in raising truly autonomous, reasoning, thinking chldren, but I suspect those who hit their children (and the &quot;spanking&quot; euphamism is just that -- a pretty little bow tied over the fact that a grown adult is raising his or her hand -- or whip, or paddle, or pipe, or rubber tubing -- doesn&#039;t make any difference at all -- to a little, helpless, powerless, voiceless child) don&#039;t want autonomous, thinking, reasoning children.  They want obedient, submissive robots, which is what the Schatz children, according to what few accounts we have, were. 

I really hope this situation shines a light the myriad problems that led to Lydia&#039;s death.  It wouldn&#039;t matter if a nutjob like Pearl wrote that book, which is so very obviously, to any decent human being, regardless of religion, a hideously disturbing body of work if there weren&#039;t so very many ignorant, isolated, brainwshed people out there willing to follow along.  

I suspect the Schatzes were typical followers.  How many other families, hidden from general public view by their isolationist, closed-community, home-schooling practices, have robotically obedient and seemingly happy children (on cue -- be happy and smiling in public or Mommy and Daddy will beat you for hours with rubber hosing!) ?  How does anyone really know what&#039;s going on in these homes?  To me, even a willingness to consider the Pearls&#039; material shows a serious, serious psychological and behavioral flaw.  How many thousands of Pearl followers beat just short of organ damage or death and get away with it for years because, on the outside, they&#039;re a happy, shiny family, but at home, the children are being subject to systematic torture?

Also, the fact these girls were adopted so very easily and all at once really makes me wonder what kind of oversight is going on with these Christian adoption agencies which set themselves up in the poorest, most disorganized and chaotic countries and then funnel dozens of children into these isolated communities and families with pretty much zero vetting process.  This story makes me look at the Haiti incident even more suspiciously.   

There are some serious, serious issues here about closed communities, unsupervised homeschooling, international adoptions, easy availability of the hideous, pyschopathic material the Pearls are selling, etc. 

Let&#039;s just hope someone with a public forum somewhere -- a major news outlet, a celebrity, anyone, someone -- please -- asks these questions and puts a stop to the series of events that led to Lydia&#039;s death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, spanking is completely ineffective in raising truly autonomous, reasoning, thinking chldren, but I suspect those who hit their children (and the &#8220;spanking&#8221; euphamism is just that &#8212; a pretty little bow tied over the fact that a grown adult is raising his or her hand &#8212; or whip, or paddle, or pipe, or rubber tubing &#8212; doesn&#8217;t make any difference at all &#8212; to a little, helpless, powerless, voiceless child) don&#8217;t want autonomous, thinking, reasoning children.  They want obedient, submissive robots, which is what the Schatz children, according to what few accounts we have, were. </p>
<p>I really hope this situation shines a light the myriad problems that led to Lydia&#8217;s death.  It wouldn&#8217;t matter if a nutjob like Pearl wrote that book, which is so very obviously, to any decent human being, regardless of religion, a hideously disturbing body of work if there weren&#8217;t so very many ignorant, isolated, brainwshed people out there willing to follow along.  </p>
<p>I suspect the Schatzes were typical followers.  How many other families, hidden from general public view by their isolationist, closed-community, home-schooling practices, have robotically obedient and seemingly happy children (on cue &#8212; be happy and smiling in public or Mommy and Daddy will beat you for hours with rubber hosing!) ?  How does anyone really know what&#8217;s going on in these homes?  To me, even a willingness to consider the Pearls&#8217; material shows a serious, serious psychological and behavioral flaw.  How many thousands of Pearl followers beat just short of organ damage or death and get away with it for years because, on the outside, they&#8217;re a happy, shiny family, but at home, the children are being subject to systematic torture?</p>
<p>Also, the fact these girls were adopted so very easily and all at once really makes me wonder what kind of oversight is going on with these Christian adoption agencies which set themselves up in the poorest, most disorganized and chaotic countries and then funnel dozens of children into these isolated communities and families with pretty much zero vetting process.  This story makes me look at the Haiti incident even more suspiciously.   </p>
<p>There are some serious, serious issues here about closed communities, unsupervised homeschooling, international adoptions, easy availability of the hideous, pyschopathic material the Pearls are selling, etc. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just hope someone with a public forum somewhere &#8212; a major news outlet, a celebrity, anyone, someone &#8212; please &#8212; asks these questions and puts a stop to the series of events that led to Lydia&#8217;s death.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spanking of any kind is unchristian.  I think, more than that, it is antichrist and antichristian actually, given Jesus&#039; statements in Matthew 18 and other places, but certainly, spanking has never had any New Testament teaching or example, and hence, is, at best, unchristian.
  It is very sad that the lies of the ages, from the Inquisition and protestent tortures of people to &quot;cleanse them of sin,&quot; through US slavery where paddling was invented, have &quot;christianized&quot; spanking and paddling, even though Jesus did not.
  Only one evil Old Testament secular king recommended children be beaten, and he never once claimed to be inspired, nor did any other biblical writer make that claim for him.  In fact, the Old Testament says he was so wicked he was the direct cause of Israel being divided and conquered (I Kings 11.)  Even if he were a prophet, however, he would be Old Testament.
  There is no New Testament teaching or example for anyone to hit any child.  The fact that the centuries of hearing the same lies to the contrary over and over have fooled so many of the supposed elect is very sad.  Rather than a few wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing, the wolves seem to outnumber the sheep on this issue, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spanking of any kind is unchristian.  I think, more than that, it is antichrist and antichristian actually, given Jesus&#8217; statements in Matthew 18 and other places, but certainly, spanking has never had any New Testament teaching or example, and hence, is, at best, unchristian.<br />
  It is very sad that the lies of the ages, from the Inquisition and protestent tortures of people to &#8220;cleanse them of sin,&#8221; through US slavery where paddling was invented, have &#8220;christianized&#8221; spanking and paddling, even though Jesus did not.<br />
  Only one evil Old Testament secular king recommended children be beaten, and he never once claimed to be inspired, nor did any other biblical writer make that claim for him.  In fact, the Old Testament says he was so wicked he was the direct cause of Israel being divided and conquered (I Kings 11.)  Even if he were a prophet, however, he would be Old Testament.<br />
  There is no New Testament teaching or example for anyone to hit any child.  The fact that the centuries of hearing the same lies to the contrary over and over have fooled so many of the supposed elect is very sad.  Rather than a few wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothing, the wolves seem to outnumber the sheep on this issue, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug wrote: &#039;“To Train Up a Child” was published in 1994. Are you seriously going to take the deaths which have occurred since then at the hands of only two irresponsible and abusive sets of parents as being typical of the thousands of parents who subscribe to the Pearls’ parental teachings?&#039;

   I agree with Doug that the Schatzes were not &quot;typical&quot; followers of the Pearls.  Unlike most followers of Pearlianity, the Schatzes followed the Pearls&#039; advice, literally and to the letter, leading to the death of one of their children and the near death of another.  I think most followers of the Pearls, in the Schatz&#039;s position, would have sensed in their hearts that something was terribly wrong; they would have disregarded Michael Pearl&#039;s reckless and dangerous admonitions to never stop lashing with the plumber&#039;s supply line unless their child submits.   And because a typical Pearl follower disobeys the Pearl&#039;s rule and stops whipping before their child needs the hospital or the coroner, we never hear about them or their children.  

  The Schatzes were atypical because they behaved as true believers.  They listened to Michael and Debi Pearl instead of listening to their hearts.  And as a result, we have now all heard of their family and their late daughter Lydia and their nearly slain daughter Zariah.  And as long as the Pearls&#039; toxic teachings are permitted to flourish within the Christian homeschooling community, there will be some sets of parents who will atypically obey those teachings assiduously enough to seriously injure or occasionally even kill their children in the name of &quot;godly discipline.&quot;  The fact that &quot;only two&quot; (Doug&#039;s words, not mine) children have turned up dead from &quot;discipline&quot; at the hands of Pearl-following homeschoolers is because so many other such parents stop short of obeying the Pearls&#039; advice as faithfully as the Schatzes did.

   The Christian homeschooling movement is at a crossroads now with regard to the Pearls.  Either the main body of the movement decisively jettisons the Pearls and their pseudo-Biblical teachings, or the Pearls will continue to drag the whole movement further down into public disrepute due to their association with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug wrote: &#8216;“To Train Up a Child” was published in 1994. Are you seriously going to take the deaths which have occurred since then at the hands of only two irresponsible and abusive sets of parents as being typical of the thousands of parents who subscribe to the Pearls’ parental teachings?&#8217;</p>
<p>   I agree with Doug that the Schatzes were not &#8220;typical&#8221; followers of the Pearls.  Unlike most followers of Pearlianity, the Schatzes followed the Pearls&#8217; advice, literally and to the letter, leading to the death of one of their children and the near death of another.  I think most followers of the Pearls, in the Schatz&#8217;s position, would have sensed in their hearts that something was terribly wrong; they would have disregarded Michael Pearl&#8217;s reckless and dangerous admonitions to never stop lashing with the plumber&#8217;s supply line unless their child submits.   And because a typical Pearl follower disobeys the Pearl&#8217;s rule and stops whipping before their child needs the hospital or the coroner, we never hear about them or their children.  </p>
<p>  The Schatzes were atypical because they behaved as true believers.  They listened to Michael and Debi Pearl instead of listening to their hearts.  And as a result, we have now all heard of their family and their late daughter Lydia and their nearly slain daughter Zariah.  And as long as the Pearls&#8217; toxic teachings are permitted to flourish within the Christian homeschooling community, there will be some sets of parents who will atypically obey those teachings assiduously enough to seriously injure or occasionally even kill their children in the name of &#8220;godly discipline.&#8221;  The fact that &#8220;only two&#8221; (Doug&#8217;s words, not mine) children have turned up dead from &#8220;discipline&#8221; at the hands of Pearl-following homeschoolers is because so many other such parents stop short of obeying the Pearls&#8217; advice as faithfully as the Schatzes did.</p>
<p>   The Christian homeschooling movement is at a crossroads now with regard to the Pearls.  Either the main body of the movement decisively jettisons the Pearls and their pseudo-Biblical teachings, or the Pearls will continue to drag the whole movement further down into public disrepute due to their association with it.</p>
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		<title>By: L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joan, Doug and Sonja:

The Pearls instruct their followers to use exactly the same piece of tubing the Schatzes used to murder Lydia and torture Zariah, they instruct them to whip them methodically, ritually, continuously, even suggest having a parent sit on them while the other beats them -- which the Schatzes did -- until the children completely submit, and Michael Pearl actually says a proper whipping should leave them without breath to complain. 

Exactly how, again, did the Schatzes take the Pearls&#039; instruction too far...??  Sounds like they did EXACTLY what the Pearls tell parents to do to their kids.  They systematically, methodically took turns beating Lydia until she didn&#039;t have breath to complain...

The Pearls are complicit in Lydia&#039;s death.  People like you, Joan, Doug and Sonja, are complicit in Lydia&#039;s death.  

How many thousands and thousands of children remain battered, inside and out, emotionally and spiritually dead, damaged beyond repair because of the sadistic and sick teachings of the Pearls and of people like you. 

Shame on you. 

A dead child&#039;s blood is on your hands.  God will deal with you for that. 

Lydia may have no breath to complain, but I do, and others do, and we will see to it that the Pearls are brought to justice and that those who promote the systematic torture of children -- people like you, Joan, Doug and Sonja -- are investigated. 

Lydia will not have died in vain.  Her death will be the beginning of the end for the Pearls and for people like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joan, Doug and Sonja:</p>
<p>The Pearls instruct their followers to use exactly the same piece of tubing the Schatzes used to murder Lydia and torture Zariah, they instruct them to whip them methodically, ritually, continuously, even suggest having a parent sit on them while the other beats them &#8212; which the Schatzes did &#8212; until the children completely submit, and Michael Pearl actually says a proper whipping should leave them without breath to complain. </p>
<p>Exactly how, again, did the Schatzes take the Pearls&#8217; instruction too far&#8230;??  Sounds like they did EXACTLY what the Pearls tell parents to do to their kids.  They systematically, methodically took turns beating Lydia until she didn&#8217;t have breath to complain&#8230;</p>
<p>The Pearls are complicit in Lydia&#8217;s death.  People like you, Joan, Doug and Sonja, are complicit in Lydia&#8217;s death.  </p>
<p>How many thousands and thousands of children remain battered, inside and out, emotionally and spiritually dead, damaged beyond repair because of the sadistic and sick teachings of the Pearls and of people like you. </p>
<p>Shame on you. </p>
<p>A dead child&#8217;s blood is on your hands.  God will deal with you for that. </p>
<p>Lydia may have no breath to complain, but I do, and others do, and we will see to it that the Pearls are brought to justice and that those who promote the systematic torture of children &#8212; people like you, Joan, Doug and Sonja &#8212; are investigated. </p>
<p>Lydia will not have died in vain.  Her death will be the beginning of the end for the Pearls and for people like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said &quot;His Word and His Holy Spirit.&quot;  This was fitfully, mournfully written in the course of a homeschool day.  I pray it makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said &#8220;His Word and His Holy Spirit.&#8221;  This was fitfully, mournfully written in the course of a homeschool day.  I pray it makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The devil mixes his lies with the truth, for he must use a truth to carry his lies. The believer must therefore discriminate, and judge all things. He must be able to see so much to be impure, and so much that he can accept. Satan is a “mixer”. If in anything he finds 99% pure, he tries to insert 1% of his poisonous stream, and this grows, if undetected, until the proportions are reversed.&quot; (from ’War on the Saints’ by Jessie Penn-Lewis)

The Pearls have become a cult, and one with particularly dangerous teachings.  It is not okay to say that they are okay anymore, and that there is good in what they do.  They are straying more and more from the truth once delivered to the saints, and are well on their way to preaching anther gospel. Children do not need to be relieved of the guilt of their sin by atoning stripes of the rod--they must be shown the Cross.  The Pearls are false teachers who  must be shunned, and publicly. 

I used to believe this stuff.  I thought it was child abuse not to spank. Twenty years later, with two prodigals, a Harvard-sized debt from a therapeutic boarding school, and a heart that has been broken as many times the rod was sung on the backsides of my precious children, I have repented.

Parenting is best done by desperately clinging to the Cross. It is a fearful heart that will want a formula, that wants a three day fix for that tantruming child, who is humiliating you in public. Yet God doesn&#039;t give a onesizefitsall solution, He gives us only the Holy Spirit, who is our Wonderful Counselor.

But I do highly recommend Turansky and Clarkson&#039;s books, for those still  confused and coming out of this &quot;spank until they submit&quot; cult.  And Lou Priolo&#039;s &quot;The Heart of Anger&quot;, is so healing if you have exasperated your child, and he won&#039;t look you in the face anymore.  They will help you detox from this 

God has been very gracious to me. My youngest have read the Frog and Toad books aloud to me and so these precious memories  are now mixed with an anguish for a girl who dreamed of safety in this country and was instead beaten to a pulp for mispronouncing some words in those charming little fables of friendship.  I will seek to turn those tears into intercession for the remmnant of this broken family. I will also cry out for justice against their false teachers, the Pearls--or at least a great reduction in the two million yearly sales they earn. 

God has been good, and I have been given a second chance to mother  my wayward ones, and we have won our children&#039;s hearts back. But we have paid a terrible price.  I urge you Pearlites  to reconsider your reliance on plastic plumbing lines for order in your homes, and seek the face of God instead.  

I think, until the homeschooling community in general repents of its pride and idolatry of family, we are not going to be the ones who are going to change the culture--especially not while we defend  spokespeople like the Pearls, who recommend training children in modesty by taking them to airports, to  point out all the immodestly dressed sinners.  What a terrific focus to give your children-- look at tight pants, who cares about the broken hearts?  I wonder how many of those women in low cut blouses could hear the Gospel coming from those same trained minds?  They are not likely to find those families very winsome.   Warped viewpoints like this was one of the reasons I quit reading and subscribing to the homeschool literature, and going to the conventions.  They have nothing to say to me anymore.

I appreciate, as others have said, your brave stand.  We have done business with you in our more prosperous past, particularly at Christmas. Those days, with my husband&#039;s downsizing, are no more.  But I will send my curriculum orders your way in the future!  Bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The devil mixes his lies with the truth, for he must use a truth to carry his lies. The believer must therefore discriminate, and judge all things. He must be able to see so much to be impure, and so much that he can accept. Satan is a “mixer”. If in anything he finds 99% pure, he tries to insert 1% of his poisonous stream, and this grows, if undetected, until the proportions are reversed.&#8221; (from ’War on the Saints’ by Jessie Penn-Lewis)</p>
<p>The Pearls have become a cult, and one with particularly dangerous teachings.  It is not okay to say that they are okay anymore, and that there is good in what they do.  They are straying more and more from the truth once delivered to the saints, and are well on their way to preaching anther gospel. Children do not need to be relieved of the guilt of their sin by atoning stripes of the rod&#8211;they must be shown the Cross.  The Pearls are false teachers who  must be shunned, and publicly. </p>
<p>I used to believe this stuff.  I thought it was child abuse not to spank. Twenty years later, with two prodigals, a Harvard-sized debt from a therapeutic boarding school, and a heart that has been broken as many times the rod was sung on the backsides of my precious children, I have repented.</p>
<p>Parenting is best done by desperately clinging to the Cross. It is a fearful heart that will want a formula, that wants a three day fix for that tantruming child, who is humiliating you in public. Yet God doesn&#8217;t give a onesizefitsall solution, He gives us only the Holy Spirit, who is our Wonderful Counselor.</p>
<p>But I do highly recommend Turansky and Clarkson&#8217;s books, for those still  confused and coming out of this &#8220;spank until they submit&#8221; cult.  And Lou Priolo&#8217;s &#8220;The Heart of Anger&#8221;, is so healing if you have exasperated your child, and he won&#8217;t look you in the face anymore.  They will help you detox from this </p>
<p>God has been very gracious to me. My youngest have read the Frog and Toad books aloud to me and so these precious memories  are now mixed with an anguish for a girl who dreamed of safety in this country and was instead beaten to a pulp for mispronouncing some words in those charming little fables of friendship.  I will seek to turn those tears into intercession for the remmnant of this broken family. I will also cry out for justice against their false teachers, the Pearls&#8211;or at least a great reduction in the two million yearly sales they earn. </p>
<p>God has been good, and I have been given a second chance to mother  my wayward ones, and we have won our children&#8217;s hearts back. But we have paid a terrible price.  I urge you Pearlites  to reconsider your reliance on plastic plumbing lines for order in your homes, and seek the face of God instead.  </p>
<p>I think, until the homeschooling community in general repents of its pride and idolatry of family, we are not going to be the ones who are going to change the culture&#8211;especially not while we defend  spokespeople like the Pearls, who recommend training children in modesty by taking them to airports, to  point out all the immodestly dressed sinners.  What a terrific focus to give your children&#8211; look at tight pants, who cares about the broken hearts?  I wonder how many of those women in low cut blouses could hear the Gospel coming from those same trained minds?  They are not likely to find those families very winsome.   Warped viewpoints like this was one of the reasons I quit reading and subscribing to the homeschool literature, and going to the conventions.  They have nothing to say to me anymore.</p>
<p>I appreciate, as others have said, your brave stand.  We have done business with you in our more prosperous past, particularly at Christmas. Those days, with my husband&#8217;s downsizing, are no more.  But I will send my curriculum orders your way in the future!  Bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonja</title>
		<link>http://www.timberdoodlecompany.com/doodleblog/2010/02/17/discipline-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-1867</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have used the Pearl&#039;s books and been extremely blessed by them.   We have 4 very happy children who are a joy to be around (just as Doug, we&#039;re often complimented in stores or by friends - but God gets the glory, not us and not the Pearls).  These are genuinely happy children - not broken-spirited or demoralized.  If you follow through with the Pearl&#039;s techniques (as discovered in God&#039;s true word) you will be surely spanking your children LESS.  If you let them get away with disobedience just every once in a while, you will be spanking them constantly.  You must be consistent and as Joan mentioned, keep on tying those strings of love and respect.  Keep up the good work, No Greater Joy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have used the Pearl&#8217;s books and been extremely blessed by them.   We have 4 very happy children who are a joy to be around (just as Doug, we&#8217;re often complimented in stores or by friends &#8211; but God gets the glory, not us and not the Pearls).  These are genuinely happy children &#8211; not broken-spirited or demoralized.  If you follow through with the Pearl&#8217;s techniques (as discovered in God&#8217;s true word) you will be surely spanking your children LESS.  If you let them get away with disobedience just every once in a while, you will be spanking them constantly.  You must be consistent and as Joan mentioned, keep on tying those strings of love and respect.  Keep up the good work, No Greater Joy!</p>
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		<title>By: lauralee</title>
		<link>http://www.timberdoodlecompany.com/doodleblog/2010/02/17/discipline-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-1866</link>
		<dc:creator>lauralee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Timberdoodle for speaking out on this controversial subject.  When my husband and I were young parents we were introduced to the Pearl&#039;s books.  How I wish we&#039;d never seen them!  As others have stated I think we have alienated our children and made them angry.  We had a few &quot;stubborn&quot; ones who required lengthy &quot;sessions&quot;.  Thinking back to those times still makes me sad.  If we are to be pictures of our Saviour to our children shouldn&#039;t that image include mercy.  I shudder to think what my life would be like if God treated me with the equivalent of the Pearl&#039;s &quot;method&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Timberdoodle for speaking out on this controversial subject.  When my husband and I were young parents we were introduced to the Pearl&#8217;s books.  How I wish we&#8217;d never seen them!  As others have stated I think we have alienated our children and made them angry.  We had a few &#8220;stubborn&#8221; ones who required lengthy &#8220;sessions&#8221;.  Thinking back to those times still makes me sad.  If we are to be pictures of our Saviour to our children shouldn&#8217;t that image include mercy.  I shudder to think what my life would be like if God treated me with the equivalent of the Pearl&#8217;s &#8220;method&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.timberdoodlecompany.com/doodleblog/2010/02/17/discipline-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-1865</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the spelling errors above.  I really do know how to spell &quot;switching&quot; and &quot;complimented.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the spelling errors above.  I really do know how to spell &#8220;switching&#8221; and &#8220;complimented.&#8221;</p>
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